The Bushy End Of A Pineapple

How long do you put up with it when someone is feeding you The Bushy End Of A Pineapple? I’m not one to say anything bad about anyone online, but I must say that I have been tempted on a few occasions. 2008 & 2009 were years I had to put up with many lies and deceptive behaviour from people I did business with. Since I posted part 1 of this article: Selling Grandma On Ebay, I have made the sad discovery of what a Pathological Liar is… I used to think that it was a voluntary choice that people make; the act of telling a deliberate lie, knowing that they are causing harm to another person – in the process they gain some sad state of satisfaction or gain.

But no! It is a disease. A Pathological Liar actually thinks he is telling the truth. In my opinion, he has told the lie in his own mind and is convinced it is the truth! It’s a sad state indeed… one that needs help in a big way.

Anyway, back to my rant…

If some one is shafting you i.e. giving you The Bushy End Of A Pineapple, you have some hard choices to make. Which one is the right one? The choices and consequences are tough:

  1. Accept it and get on with life. After all, taking on a fight is probably exactly what the Pineapple Patholog (my name for the sicko) thrives on. Most people take this path. They don’t want to disclose their failures to the world, because that is how they view it: as a failure! Meanwhile, the crooks move on and safely select their next victim.
  2. Make It Public. Hang out your dirty laundry to the world. Be prepared to cop some shit because you are not playing your own game. It is the battlefield of the Pineapple Patholog who thrives in the dirt.

I have copped The Bushy End Of A Pineapple on 2 occasions since 2007. My good nature and willingness to believe people and take them at face value, causes me to trust people when they say they are fixing things. Having face to face meetings with the owner & CEO of a company on 3 different occasions and getting told “Haven’t they fixed that yet? Leave it with me!”, does instill some faith in a trusting heart.

I suppose the difference is that I have been raised with Ethics, Honesty & Integrity. I care about other people’s feelings. Somewhere, somehow, some people failed miserably in teaching their, now grown up kids, how to treat fellow human beings with the respect they deserve.

I have been faced with some tough decisions. I have done “the right thing” and moved on. I now see other victims being done over in the same way. I partly blame myself for not exposing the crooks.

People go to jail for robbing a bank. When they rip off people for their hard earned money – and don’t deliver what they promised, they often get off Scott Free!

I have 2 words for that: It Sucks!

How can we expect the Pineapple Patholog to respect the law when it doesn’t deserve respect for protecting us from them? Last year I was threatened legally if I told the truth. “We will hold you up in court. We have more money than you”. Did I mention “That Sucks!” ?

Message For The Unethical People:

In an ideal world, there is a Heaven and a Hell (I’ve been told). In that case, this is a message for those who thrive on shafting and ripping people off with no apparent conscience or carefactor:

“There is a sponsored seat in the Corporate Box of Hell. It has their name on it. No need to hurry! It will wait for an eternity!”

Save Future Victims

Here are my exposed and naked thoughts on this topic:

We need to stand up and share our experiences, without shame, in the public domain. Save future victims from the Prowling Pineapple Pathologs. I am on the verge of doing this. Share with me your thoughts on this matter. Will you stand up and expose the crooks on Facebook, Twitter & Social Media in general? Will you join their Facebook Fanpages and hammer them with the facts? Will you do what it takes (sharing your truth, if you have been hurt) to save future victims to go down the same path?

Will you make them pay for the pain they dish out and try to cover up? Will you allow them to slander others online while they don’t want anything in return? Will you receive The Bushy End Of A Pineapple and say “Thank You Sir!” afterwards?

Will you report them to the ACCC to save future victims? Will you share your pain if you carry it – or simply let it fester under your own good nature?

I know, it is not healthy to carry pain. It is even less healthy to see others receive pain when you know you could have spoken up, despite the legal threats against speaking the truth.

I have opened up my heart to you. Your comments below are much appreciated.

Sean Rasmussen
Success Communicator
Aussie Internet Marketer Β© 2004 – 2010

About Sean Rasmussen

Sean Rasmussen is a passionate blogger and has been a full time internet marketer since 2005. When he's not with his family, or dog Buddy, Sean is usually blogging or doing something related to the internet.

Comments

  1. I’m sorry you found yourself in such a terrible predicament and feel your pain. I’ve been through something similar before and am not sure if I handled it correctly.

    You have to worry about yourself and by that I mean not falling into the trap that the Prowling Pineapple Pathologs have set for you. They may not be aware that they are trying hard to get you to stoop to their level. To publicly announce your issues with them to help others will only stir the pot and continue the disaster.

    Report them to your local ACCC and let fate take over and do with these Prowling Pineapple Pathologs what it will. Stand proud and get past this and know that all these others who may be affected will learn what you have, some the easy way and some the hard.
    .-= Sarah Butland´s last blog ..You Are the Reason I Know It Will Happen =-.

    • Thanks Sarah. I think ACCC will be swamped soon as the Karmatic Freight Train heads in those guys direction πŸ˜‰

      I might add, to protect innocent parties, that it is not anyone you have seen me speak on stage for in 2010.

      • That’s exactly right Sean. The Karmatic Freight Train will definitely go down their track.

        I know that in my own situation that it’s going to come back and bite her in the **** (that mean’s backside) and it’s going to bite that hard she won’t know what the heck bit her!

        Maybe she might even get gobbled right up and part of the world will be a better and happier place.

  2. I know where you are coming from Sean, I was involved in a property development where I was lied too and taken for a ride along with many of my friends. At a meeting with the developers I was told that if you take us on we will drag it out in the courts and make your life hell. These people shifted assets and continue to live in their houses with tennis courts and send their kids to the the most expensive schools in the country. For me I wanted to move on on forget but I subsequently discovered that they had been doing it for many years before I was caught out. Had someone else stopped them earlier it would have saved a lot of pain.

    The question is “Do I want to prevent these people from doing it again?” The fight is a poor use of my time and the people who I am helping I will never know. They are the ones who one day would have been taken for the same ride because people like me never put an end to the crooks. For me I have handed my battles to ASIC, I hope they do the right thing but unfortunately I have a backlog of such cases and often dismiss the smaller cases.

    It is a tough one and even tougher for someone like yourself with the highest of integrity. I think your followers and anyone who has even met you know your values and generosity ooze from your blogs and how you conduct yourself everyday. That is victory in itself.

    I also know of some of these people bragging about having a full time lawyer. I’d much prefer to brag that I don’t need one.

    Good luck and you know you always have my backing and support!

    Chris
    .-= Chris Bellesini´s last blog ..26 – Don’t Negotiate Your Time =-.

  3. Hi Sean, your story sounds like one BIG bushy end of the pineapple. My thoughts are with you and your precious family.

    I had a case of a big corporation taking my money for shares I never received. It took me 18 months and 100s of phone calls, emails and eventually the ACCC to sort it out. A very poor use of time and wasted energy which affected everything else I was trying to do. I never went public (online) with the name(s) of who was involved even though I wanted to shout it from the highest mountain.

    I did find in going through this process that there was plenty of past disgruntled clients of the same company however I never put my name in any of the forums etc. I believe in karma as in what you do always comes back to you and I’m pretty sure that this company is getting it’s fair share of karma back. If it so happened that they didn’t refund me my actions would have been different and I was ready to expose them for the thieves they are. I think this would have only given me satisfaction for the short term though.

    Only you will know in your heart what is the “right” thing to do for you Sean and I’ll support you whatever you decide. Stay strong xo
    .-= Ange Recchia´s last blog ..Jim Carrey on Thoughts and Intentions =-.

  4. Hi Sean,
    This is a touchy subject with me and one I have a very strong opinion on. I believe in the saying “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. If you continually do good things to people and all they do for you in return is bad deeds, then they have earned the right to have that shit pelted back in their face. This is not retribution, it’s justice and without it people like these crims just perpetuate their crimes on other people and always remain at large. Give it to them hard and fast Sean, you will have the masses on your side.

    • I feel the truth in that, Rob. I used to say it was bad “karma” to do anything bad to people (i.e. tell the truth about them), but I have also realised that I am getting “bad karma” from getting other people hurt through my “inactions” against the bad guys.
      It works both ways…

      • Hi Sean,
        it is a tricky subject, I agree. But since when is telling the truth a bad thing? As long as you stick to the facts and don’t voice opinions, the truth should be able to be told. Without the fear of doing something “bad”.
        Very often facts and opinions get mixed up and than it get’s dirty. But telling the facts should be absolutely allowed.
        Knowing you I am sure you will take the right decision!
        .-= Renee´s last blog ..The Best Way To Get Motivated =-.

      • Andrew Sinclair says:

        Karma is not the only currency that matters. It is just that if we focused exclusively on the tradeable pairs, no job vacancies would be filled. Never mind that mortgage that cannot be paid; it matters not if the bank can’t hire debt collectors to break into your home, or realtors to sell it after it has been reposessed.

        Karma is a psychological nightmare, especially to a business owner. In terms of Napoleon Hill’s book, the best way to deal with the politician (that is Karma) is to keep him among the company that best matches his own character. In a very real sense, the crooked operator must be returned to the communities of impovrishment from which he came.

        They would make outstanding debt collectors. The insolvent bank would probably leave unopened the attachment that is their resume.

        Karma could do worse than learn how a solvent banking institution works. Even vanilla employees would be happier. I know I was, back in the days when shares defied gravity. I’ve been supported by the residual of such a move until very recently. Not complaining, just very happy about my spending thus far. It taught me how to live without using a credit card, ever.

  5. Hi Sean,
    I am sure you will do what is right for you and your family.

    I have been in a situation where a construction company owed our company a very large sum of money for work that had been performed, that company never paid their subcontractor’s, they declared themselves bankrupt. So we never saw any of that money.
    A few months later another company different name, appeared doing exactly the same construction work, the same person that was manager of the other company was now manager of this company! You often wonder where the Law stands today!!!!!
    I do believe in Karma! What goes around, comes around!!
    So Sean these pineapple’s will get their just deserves if enough people go to the ACCC and report them.
    In your Heart Sean, I know that whatever you find fit to do, you will have my support! Your Honesty, Ethics and Integrity are above these people, so Mate go do what is right for You and Your family.
    .-= Sandra Sentance´s last blog ..Time Management =-.

  6. Rip into the b….rds, Sean!
    Remember that evil thrives not when bad people do bad things but when good people do nothing.
    .-= Gary Birch´s last blog ..The Cultural Benefits of Second Language Learning =-.

  7. I Sean,
    People like this prey on the fact they can cause far more havoc if anyone should dare to expose them, that is the way they get away with it for so long.
    The trouble is how many others will they take down who don’t have any thing to fall back on and so end up loosing every thing they have.
    I tell others do not commit more than they can afford to loose if they have any doubts DON’T
    Sean You have the friendship and support of so many others and know you will do what is right for yourself, your family and those closest to you

  8. Aah yes, the Universal Law of Attraction – this is something I’ve discovered and believe in now, having studied the science behind it, and now whenever someone wrongs me in any way, I believe they will eventually get what’s coming to them. It’s a small consolation when you’ve lost a large deal of money or your reputation’s been tarnished due to someone’s evil efforts, but it helps ease the anger.
    .-= Colin Schedler´s last blog ..Inspirational People – Richard Branson =-.

  9. Hi Sean when I first saw your comment title I was amused as we have just picked our very first home grown pineapple and it was the tiniest, but a very sweet little pineapple.
    However upon reading your article, I heart-connected with your challenges. Our family is at present caught up in one of Australia’s biggest corporate failures……Storm Financial a Queensland based finance company and Australia’s biggest bank who are in a dirty fight about whose responsibility it was to maintain their co-joined customers share portfolios and margin loans. Unfortunately about 3000 everyday Australians mainly mums and dad investors are stuck between a proverbial brick and a hard wall.
    As you mentioned some businesses/people have unlimited access to legal representation and time on their hands, knowing that the longer it is played out the more people can not survive. Lives have been totally ruined, homes lost, sanity negated, trust absolutely destroyed! For what?……….For believing that the people that you trusted and relied on for accurate information, honesty and business integrity would do the correct and ethical thing. Many of these financial advisers are again advising people how to look after their monies, the banks are still lending people copious amounts but have the disclaimer at the bottom telling you, “all care taken no responsibility accepted”. They have huge PR firms feeding half truths to the masses, saying how wonderful they are for fixing their perceived errors…the list and the fight goes on.
    ASIC is involved, FCA is involved the government as a Parliamentary Inquiry was involved……still it doesn’t always help the bottom of the chain……..us. So yes I believe you should report people/businesses if you think there may be corruption as least you will sleep better, you will probably not achieve anything else. My grandfather always stated “to thy own self be true” and I have adopted this as my own personal ethic, it is a shame that many can not live up to this.
    As a group we will win or go down knowing that we have at least made a difference for others in the future.
    Cheers

  10. Unfortunately pathological liars, especially rich ones, can afford mean, nasty, clever lawyers that can make a judge think that the liar is the one that has been victimized. Monsters thrive in the dark, turn the light on them. I once turned the table on a pathological liar by deliberately lying to him about something very important to him (with the knowledge and approval of others involved who could back me up). He was really upset. Then I explained that that was how the rest of us felt every time he lied to us. It changed him.
    .-= Wal Heinrich´s last blog ..Think And Grow Rich Mindset Mastery =-.

    • They may be able to afford them but lawyers are still human (input sarcastic remark here) and make mistakes. We were threatened by a large law firm to stop drop shipping a companies products through our website and they quoted the wrong website address, the wrong owner, and used threats that were irrelevant to the claim.

      Of course we refused to continue business with this drop shipper but it was hilarious (and still is) to read the letter riddled with errors knowing the company we sold for lost a lot of money hiring these imbeciles.
      .-= Sarah Butland´s last blog ..A House of Straw =-.

    • Well done Wal. It is even more amazing to see that your very important act actually impacted on the person to create a positive change. That is incredibly empowering.

      It may not work for all situations like this but it is awesome for each one that it does.

  11. Ian Carter says:

    I must quote Jerry Seinfeld here and say that “The best revenge is to live life well and be happy”.

    Best not to give it another thought and carry on with your life in the most harmonious way possible. When you do this all worries will dissapear. Jamie will soon be a thing of the past.

  12. Hi Sean

    The first thing I will say is don’t label their lying as a disease. This takes the responsibility away from them. It’s not a disease that’s contracted – they have full control over the lies they tell.

    Secondly, when you get done over, it’s a hard thing to talk about. Sean, you’ve successfully created online communities where we can talk about these things. But, for most people, they only have their friends and family who are waiting to say, “I told you so”. Money, in Australian culture (and others), is still very difficult to talk about. So, when it comes to being ripped off, scammed, lied to, getting involved with the wrong people, it’s very hard to talk about.

    I think to come out about crooks in the wealth creation industry, and to make a difference, it has to be done strategically. It takes leadership from someone, or some people, who can think through the issues clearly (the consequences of speaking out, the point of it, how to deal with all the emotions, what can be realistically achieved, to name a few issues). The last thing we’d want, is for genuine victims to come out looking like a bunch of whinging idiots wanting to point the finger. The very real risk is that innocent people can come out looking like the bad guys.

    Social media is a great way to come back, but it has to be done properly, with a level head, courage and a clear goal. Also, getting good legal advice is appropriate.

    I’m all for standing up to liars and bullies (and I can think of some more colourful names to describe such people), but it does have to be done strategically and properly.

    My two cents worth. And I speak from experience, mind you. Went through a hard time myself (12 month+ battle), but at least I got most of my money back.
    .-= Lina Nguyen´s last blog ..Have you ever asked, β€œWhat is my purpose in life?” =-.

    • Well, I still call it sick πŸ˜‰

    • Lina – I agree with you. I may ruffle some feathers here but I’m still finding it difficult to label alcoholism a disease as well. Lying is an addiction as is drinking and, although addiction is often seen as a disease, am I sick because I’m addicted to chocolate? To support? To writing? These are not labelled as diseases because I can live without them and “easily” stop the need for chocolate, outside support and writing but I can’t. To me these are my lies to some, my alcohol to others and my drugs to some more still.

      Yes, it’s hard to stop any one of these habits and you feel empty inside when you try but your life may be suffering because of the bad habits you’ve obtained and to call that a disease is taking away from so many others.
      .-= Sarah Butland´s last blog ..You Are the Reason I Know It Will Happen =-.

      • I would go along with the fact it is more of an addiction. From my experiences a person does it because they can’t help themselves. Even when confronted they still continue to do it.

        However once confronted there is opportunity for them to take it on board and change their way as Wal has helped someone to do (see above)

        Nothing is set in concrete and ability and will to change is in their hands.

      • Hi Sarah

        There are good addictive behaviours and bad addictive behaviours. Once we are clear on that it’s easy to see the cause and effect and then know on which side of the line they sit.

        Eating chocolate doesn’t effect anyone in a bad way unless you were to feed your baby chocolate every day instead of healthy meals.

        Your writing doesn’t hurt anyone unless you wrote to intentionally hurt others.

        Drinking alcohol is ok too unless it sparks a violent temper and the drinker then hurts people. That is a negative and abusive effect.

        You can lie to yourself, that’s ok if you want to, but lying to others or about others in a defammatory way or in order to cause harm to a person is another form of abuse.

        As long as our addiction does not effect anyone negatively then it is ok.

        • This is all so very true. I’m relaxing a bit when it comes to my son eating healthy because I don’t want to become the bushy end of a pineapple. I know, even at 8 months old, he’s already making very wise decisions and as long as I encourage that I know he’ll always be as fantastic as he is today.

          All in stride, right? And maintain a proper balance to achieve the greatness we all deserve to
          .-= Sarah Butland´s last blog ..Kelly Moran Took Me On Summer’s Road =-.

    • I tend to agree with you Lina.
      When getting the wrong end of a bushy pineapple, its very easy to let your emotions get in the way, and make rash decisions.
      There is a proper way to go about equaling the score, whether that’s getting your money back, or exposing these people for who they are.
      But of course you have to do what is right for you and your loved ones.
      We went through a hard time last year where we were Lied to, and had a long battle, but was successful in getting most of our money back.
      Lessons I learnt were:
      To always carry yourself in a high level (never stoop to their level).
      Maintain civil negotiations and dealings
      Be Persistent and use the correct channels.
      .-= Cade Arnel´s last blog ..Traders Daily Routine Checklist – Are you Ticking the boxes – Part 1 =-.

      • I also support what Lina has said.

        I had similar problems with a certain company last year. Resolving the issues took a lot of time and effort on my part but financially I came out fairly even in the end, in no doubt because I stuck to the facts, remained civil through the process, and had a certain fortuitous personal circumstance which swung the balance my way.

        However there was a vocal group of people who made their frustrations public through social media about this company and opened themselves up to a whole range of legal threats. While I am all for going public about these issues and letting people know the dangers it should be done carefully and strategically so that the real truth can come out. Otherwise there is a danger that it will become mired in verbal stoushes where no one knows what is true and what isn’t.

        Sean, having said that I’d love to see you go forth and get the bastards and I support you all the way!

        Karen
        .-= Karen´s last blog ..Group Support For Independent Learning =-.

        • Cathy Howitt says:

          Karen,
          I agree wholeheartedly. Everything must be done in the right way. Think before acting ensures that you react in the right manner and for the right reasons.
          You also don’t want to end up being the “bad” guy because you have spoken out of turn or let your heart rule your head.

          I have been in this situation many, many years ago and it was hard work reining the emotional parents in and encouraging them to think first, collect facts (not opinions), then present them in an organised and unemotional way. Needless to say, we won. All it took was for everyone to take a deep breath first.
          Cath

  13. Raynard Harris says:

    Sean
    It’s a BIG one! It’s a defining moment. It is times like this we truly define our Selves, our character and our values. I hear the emotion: anger, resentment, righteousness, sense of justice – ALL totally understandable, and appropriate. So now what?

    There have been many mentions of the word Karma – that that what you put forward comes back to you. It has a spiritual connotation that says, it will come back to you, until you make a different decision. This sounds like what you’re going through too.

    May be you are being put in this situation because you are being asked ‘by the universe’ to get in touch with who you TRULY are. Making a decision about what to do from here then is important, and if it is your “Karma”, then you will be put in this situation again, and again, until you break the cycle, and become your TRUE self.

    I’m going through this myself. Knowing inside that a path is ‘calling’ me, and knowing it will be a hard and painful one, so what do I do? I sit still, and sit still, and get quiet, and get quiet, and breathe, and breathe, and let go, and surrender, and smile, and… know I am alright…whatever happens.

    As Eleanor Rosevelt said, “Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.”

    Best wishes

    Raynard

    • Good point, Raynard
      I have been put through this again and again (a few times now) in different situations.
      Knowing I would get a wealth of different experience and feedback in the comments, I feel better and wiser already.

    • Very well said, Raynard. It’s terrible that good people have to meet up with such bad people but it’s in these times we find out who we truly are and can be that person. And be proud of what got us to where we are and who we want to be.
      .-= Sarah Butland´s last blog ..You Are the Reason I Know It Will Happen =-.

    • Raynard sums it up perfectly.

      I have found myself in similar ‘spots’ over the years and more often than not it is a lesson that has to learnt before I can break out of the cycle.

      As Eckhart Tolle says, we are experiencing this moment because we need to be. Deep I know yet remarkably profound. You know it makes sense!!

      I’m sure I could get away with a lamb chop commercial right about now.
      .-= Clint Maher´s last blog ..Affordable Web Design Perth =-.

  14. Scotty Smith says:

    Bernie Maddoff found out what happens when you rip the public off for long enough. You can only get away with things for so long, enjoy the happy times scammers. Karma does not forget.

  15. WoW Sean, you really struck a chord with me.

    It is sad (and sick), however I have become accustomed to the way that many lie, cheat and steal whether to get ahead in life or make a quick buck.

    I was unfortunately taken for a ride by an unscrupulous company in 2009. Promises were made, results were guaranteed – in the end it was all smoke and mirrors. Despite the concerns and complaints of many in the program, the problems were washed away and not taken seriously. Management made even more promises and gave additional bonuses, however it was all for nothing. Many lost out on money, time, trust and foremost belief in themselves.

    I do not believe that lying is a disease – I believe that those deceitful liars out there are the disease on society. It is a conscious choice to lie to someone, sell a dodgy product or service and swear by it. I know that those that ran the program got theirs in the end.
    .-= Cemil´s last blog ..Choosing a Blogging Platform =-.

  16. Jazz Salinger says:

    Hi Sean,

    I think you have a difficult choice to make. I get the sense from reading your post that you have had enough of these people. The feeling I get (and I could be wrong) is that you need to do this. These people have obviously hurt you deeply and I think if you don’t stand up for what you feel is right; it will eat away at you.

    It is clearly upsetting you that they are still out there doing this to other people and getting away with it. There is nothing I hate more than people who set out deliberately to hurt others. I bet they are preying on people who are financially vulnerable and they are stealing these people’s dreams.

    Sean, I am a fighter. I say do it. I think the strong have a responsibility to protect the vulnerable and the weak; those who cannot protect themselves. It won’t be easy but sometimes doing the right thing is the hardest thing you will ever have to do.

    Having said that though, I think you need to understand that these people will play dirty. They will throw mud at you, your family, everyone you care about and everyone who gets involved. They may even implicate you in some of their activities. It could get ugly.

    I think you need to trust your instincts. I am certain that you will have everyone’s full support irrespective of what you decide. I think Lina is right. You need to be smart about how you do this. I say get a lawyer and explore your options.

    • Hi Jazz
      There is a lot of ‘behind the scenes’ stuff going on. I just wonder how the game would really be played if these people had to be transparent. They portray themselves as ‘abundant’ but are really massively dis-empowering.

    • G’day Sean,
      What a predicament ! You’ve honoured me with sharing some of these problems in the past, and I’m grateful you had the trust to do so. Sean – you can be assured of my support if you decide to fight these bastards. My feeling is that you should fight them and prevent them doing the same thing to an ever growing number of victims, but only if your family feels it’s safe for all of you.

      Because I’m a person who relies and trusts my instincts, [ vibes ] when we met last May in Brisbane I got the best possible positive, ethical at all cost, VIBE from you and what you were teaching. I had bought the YOTA 2008 book months before, and was really keen to meet the author – which I did. [ Thanks for the 10 seconds of fame ] However, I decided not to proceed with the package offered, not because of you, but the other person involved whose VIBE was of a sneaky, money grubbing, not very ethical nature. Made me very uncomfortable.

      I’m agog that the other person for whom you’ve made a bucket load of money would treat you in the way you described above. Mate, if it was me, I’d be expressing my gratitude to you by offering prompt & rapid response to requests, not putting it off. Not sure whether it’s ethical to mention his name.
      The lack of service from his company has made it a laughing stock among some straight people I have met. BTW – I’ve mentioned that a few times on Facebook and had no repercussions.

      As Lina and Jazz have said, this is something which will need a powerful legal mind to work out a strategy rather than jumping in boots and all – anything I can do to help will be my privelege.

      ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE
      Harry
      .-= Harry Lynn´s last blog ..A Rare Gift – Film of History in Action =-.

    • You certainly are a fighter and a very “bushy pineapple” at that. You’re such a fighter that it seems in the new competition “For a Few Dollars More” no one wants to even be in the same point bracket as you.

      But I am too trusting my instincts and being persistent in my efforts of at least getting back and remaining in the top ten.

      Hope all was figured out with this situation and that karma did come through as necessary for all involved.
      .-= Sarah Butland´s last blog ..A House of Straw =-.

  17. The thing is once a person lies once and gets away with it they will do it again, then again and again then they start believing themselves and they get to a stage they just don’t know what truth is.

    • I’m going to disagree with you, Rita. Some people discover who they are after one lie as they are discovered for it and are punished. Some punish themselves for it more than anyone can possibly punish them.

      The experience of telling a lie is experiment to some but when they realize it hurts another they stop before it turns into a habit.

      While others continue to weave tales of fiction until they circle around and become obvious that they clearly do not know what they are talking about. These people are usually the loneliest people we know.
      .-= Sarah Butland´s last blog ..You Are the Reason I Know It Will Happen =-.

  18. Hi Sean, I never heard “The Bushy End Of A Pineapple”, but it’s a very good title for your post.
    People that lying so much that they start to believe her own lies is scary. Unfortunately they are around, and some of them even get a lot of money. And because common sense is on the decline in our world at the moment, it’s hard to get them exposed. Because legal actions can be taken and they don’t necessarily reflect what is right, but what is law (including loopholes).
    I am all for telling the truth (sticking to the facts) which should be common sense. I don’t know by how far that is contradicted by laws, so a certain amount of care has to be taken. Besides that – stick to your values and your ethics, but don’t be stopped to tell the facts and give others the chance to see the facts before they take a decision!
    .-= Renee´s last blog ..The Best Way To Get Motivated =-.

    • I like his reference to the “bushy end of a pineapple” very much. I have one or two of these such people in my life and am still learning how to deal with them. So far I’ve just been practicing avoidance and it’s been working somewhat well but when they are family you know that you’re going to have to face them at some point. In business, you can always find someone else to do what they’ve done for you except to do it well. When it comes to family, it’s not so easy to replace them.
      .-= Sarah Butland´s last blog ..You Are the Reason I Know It Will Happen =-.

  19. Hi Sean, It sounds like you have been burned a couple of times and major kudos to you for not letting it stop you from creating the many positive things that you have.

    Delusional people can end up believing their own rubbish and hurting a lot of people around them. Whether they honestly believe what they are doing is ok, or whether they turn a blind eye and let themselves develop into this sort of person doesn’t really matter to those that they hurt.

    It is even worse when that person is a bully as well – they can be very destructive.
    Unfortunately bullies tend to prey on the kindness of others – they perceive this as weakness. They only seem to respect strength. One of the more effective ways to stop their behaviour is to so them that they messed with the wrong guy, but this is something that needs to be carefully considered.

    If your experiences put you in a position to be able to influence things for the better then I would encourage you to do so. With that said, however, it is important that you protect yourself and those close to you before committing to such a task. This includes:
    – gathering as much objective evidence as possible which is convincing and persuasive;
    – getting legal advice from a firm that specialises in the relevant areas of law regarding both the potential claims involved, and your potential exposure in either bringing the claim or reporting the matter;
    – if possible, reporting the matter to ACCC / ASIC so that it isn’t just a private commercial dispute between yourself and your former business partner; and
    – finding others who are able (and willing) to support your claims or make similar claims themselves.

    I wish you all the best with what is no doubt a very difficult decision.

    Cheers,

    Tom
    .-= Tom McEwin´s last blog ..Explaining the ClickBank Affiliate Program Terms of Use – Part 1 – a Sheriff with 8 Deputies =-.

    • Preying is exactly what they do Tom. They don’t care about the fallout from their manipulation and the construct manner in which they conduct themselves. Their only focus is their own quest.

  20. Exposing fraudsters online is a tricky one – do you defame them publicly at the expense of jeapodising a potential legal win later down the track or do you wait for it to unfold and let them get what they deserve, because you know they will get whats coming to them in the end.

    Sure, if you have the evidence and are willing to go to town on social media and let the public be the judge – I would support that and possibly join in.

    There are too many in this industry that give the rest of us a bad name…it depends how much you have to lose and what you get out of it I guess – is it worth it to you in the end to get justice or do you just end up with more stress and no satisfaction?
    .-= Lisa´s last blog ..Baby Sign for Puppy – A Dad’s Story =-.

  21. Hey Sean, sorry to hear about yet another stink-up with one of your business partners. It is indeed a touchy subject, and I too have been ripped of before by people who promised to deliver a course (which I paid thousands) and only delivered half or a third of the content, and hence I never got any result.

    While it may be right to expose those crooks and stop them from destroying others, it is sometimes good to let bad blood go and cut off ties with that person. I have read this great book called “The Tibetan Art of Positive thinking” by Christopher Hansard, and in it are some ways you can use spiritual ways to rid yourself of the negative karma that is in your way. Maybe that will help.

  22. We fell victim to an ex-employer.

    Having worked for the bloke for several years, in fact due to his health he was at the end of his financial tether as he could not do the physically when I met him, I trusted him.

    Long story short I made him a lot of money, I got basic wages – didn’t have a problem with that. In time we expanded the business and eventually I went out on my own, but in partnership with him. I tried to purchase my own licences and so on, but due to the business structure found it very hard. My partner helped me by buying all the licences and leasing to me – I borrowed enough for all plant and equipment, and decided to work even harder.

    Around this time my partner began to lie to me – eventually I found that 90 hour weeks were not enough, I researched the issues independently and found I had been short changed tens of thousands of dollars, on confronting my partner he proved his true character, selling the licences out from under me, and vowing to bankrupt me. Instant zero cash flow, fully mortgaged and no way to pay the bills.

    Eventually We were forced to sell everything, our house, and a hostile forced sale of our 100 acres after a devastating bushfire and theft of much of my tools and valuables (his first move was to ring my bank, all creditors and even approached my parents and business associates and tell them he was bankrupting me due to massive amounts owed to him – to this day my 80 year old Father believes I owe my ex partner over 130 thousand dollars.).

    But we are lucky.

    I now just owe a few thousand to creditors, and despite becoming quite ill for a year or three am moving forward. Will be out of debt before the end of the year, and will work on purchase of a rental property once a suitable deposit is gathered – probably through my son, keep it in the family regardless. Others in our area have lost much more and were bankrupted brutally – some by this pineapple jockey. We have avoided that part.

    By never saying anything but the truth all our creditors bar one (the Bank) have allowed us to deal with any real outstanding debts in an open ended way. If we had stayed silent we would have been absolutely bankrupted.

    The truth will set you free – it really does.

    I will never trust anyone again, not fully. Perhaps that is the lesson I had to have – would have preferred a gentler one though….. Always keep positive, look for the good in people, but have nothing whatsoever to do with the liars and predators – and do it very loudly and proudly. Otherwise how does anyone else know to avoid these B—–ds?

  23. There are always higher causes behind such events in life. Hopefully, somewhere in the experience comes the learning that resolves the higher causes. Otherwise, if the higher causes are not fully resolved by the experience, it is possible to track down these higher causes and deal with them appropriately so that they don’t continue to recreate similar sorts of events. I have witnessed both on numerous occasions.
    .-= Wal Heinrich´s last blog ..Think And Grow Rich Mindset Mastery =-.

  24. Hi Sean,
    I can understand you wanting justice however if it means bringing in Lawyers then I’m not so sure that’s wise. If you haven’t read than you must read Brett Dawson’s book, The Evil Deeds Of The Ratbag Profession. This book shows how and why these people can get away with doing what they did to you.

    Never mind, they say there’s more than one way to skin a cat. I’m wondering if you can put the warning out via word of mouth and without incriminating yourself in the precess.

    Whatever you decide Sean you do have my support as well.

  25. Hello Sean,

    Gosh this will be a hard decision for you to make. I agree that Liars should not be allowed to get away with their actions, and move onto another victim. There should be a program out there (on the internet) that informs the public who they should trust/ and others who through their own actions should not be trusted.

    If we broke the law there would be actions taken against us. So why isn’t there a law against taking people for a ride up the garden path, with a Pineapple that is rotten?
    If I think you are talking about the person I think you are talking about, Expose them. I for one would gladly back you up.

    Last year My family went to a conference and we learnt how to do affiliate marketing. The guy that taught my son and I was a person we had seen speak before. He lead my Son to believe that he made at least two sales within one weekend. We looked into the back end of the site and there was no sale recorded. We checked every few days for over a month. The sales never ever appeared. My son was so very hurt, and so upset that he would not (and still will not) look at how to make money with Affiliate Marketing. His trust was broken, his heart was damaged and his faith is something that I am working on to restore. Yes he is young, Yes he will get more opportunity in life to experience how to make money. BUT I had to deal with his dissapointment, his hurt, his anger and his lack of understand how that certain person could behave like that.

    We contacted the said person via email on face book but we got the same old story each time. I even had a interview set up with the said person as a mentor but he never ever delivered. I have seen that this person is still operating with his Program and I wonder how he can sleep at night?

    I am concerned that there are liars out there that do not have any scruples with their own actions and through their actions can and will hurt people. I am so glad that I did not invest my money with the program that was on offer, I have heard how much money was wasted on the program…and how little support the people did get that signed up. How Can That Person Sleep At Night?

    If you feel that as a person with intergrity that you need to speak out so that others do not get hurt anymore, then shout it from the roof tops. Like some of the comments that I have read, It does need to be done with thought and care so that there is no mud slinging back and forward. I would expose with due respect to the public, because you would need to be careful about the way you present yourself.

    On the thought of a website set up for scammers there is one for Forex, Called Forex Peace Army….so why isn’t there one on Wealth Creators?
    Looking forward to hearing your solution.
    Cheers

    Lisa Wood.
    .-= Lisa Wood´s last blog ..Chasing Your Dreams Or Chasing Your Tail =-.

    • Hi Lisa
      I’m sorry to hear your story about your son. Confidence is broken in exchange for boosting a liars ego.
      A Wealth Creators Scam Exposure Site? Hmm… I wonder what a good name would be πŸ˜‰

      • Hi Sean,

        Thanks for caring about my son πŸ™‚

        A good name for a Wealth Creators Scam Exposure Site ???? Would love to see that!! That has given me a thought, there is a need for a site out there !! Will send you my ideas via facebook as I thought about writing a website name here but wanted to make sure that rotten pineapples did not snatch it first πŸ™‚

        Cheers
        Lisa
        .-= Lisa Wood´s last blog ..Too Much Sun =-.

  26. Sean, in my own experience of the ‘prickly pineapple pusher’, and in answer to your two proposals of choice – I went for both.
    Accept the other for who/what they are. Forgive yourself for your participation to date, on whatever levels, and pat yourself on your back for highlighting to yourself your own worth and the values you hold dear, and which this situation has strengthened. Tell the truth. Nothing less and nothing more.
    It was you who provided me with the ‘Richard Branson’ solution: Cut your losses; never do business with them again (in anyway shape or form); fix your system so it can’t happen again. Oh, and my own addition – keep your own words Impeccable.
    The truth is not a problem. The truth is just that, the truth – clear and pure and strong. There is nothing that can alter the truth for it shines clearly, and all who hear the truth know it to be so.
    Making it public? Dirty washing? What is yesterday’s post about? We are humans. We all make choices somewhere along the line where hindsight will throw the light on a better alternative – it just becomes a ‘sin’ when we don’t acknowledge, address, amend and restore; when we don’t grow. Did you murder someone? No?
    Fear not. And by the way Karma is getting very quick nowadays.!

    One last thing – you have got all of us with you.
    .-= Jo Carey-Bradshaw´s last blog ..Empowering Mindset – Mastering Self =-.

    • I like Branson’s response quoted here. It is rarely worth the effort of trying to rectify certain wrongs.

      Though, making something public may also be necessary so that others don’t get caught up by liars and scammers – we do have some reponsibility towards that.

  27. G’day Sean,
    At 10 to 2 in Qld I thought I’d do the last comment but the bloody computer froze – BUGGER !! Hopefully your clock is slow and I’m not too late. Bloody nightowl !
    In Qld it’s usually called the ROUGH end of the pineapple.
    Cheers
    Harry
    .-= Harry Lynn´s last blog ..A Rare Gift – Film of History in Action =-.

  28. Thanks for clarification Harry. I thought the term was “rough end of the pineapple” It may be exclusive to QLD, who knows? It doesn’t matter anyway. I knew Sean’s meaning and though well, both ends of a pineapple are fairly rough anyway and so “bushy” is probably a more appropriate term to use.

    My grandfather (fathers side) was a pineapple grower (farmer) in QLD in the 40’s and 50’s. I vaguely remember him. He died due to septicemia caused by a cut on his hand from the pineapple brush.

  29. Hey Sean,

    First of all, WOW!

    I’ve got to admire your conviction. The challenge is that these big companies have plenty of cash to tip into their legal arguments, they actually expect it, they know their actions will bring legal conflict, they know that they are doing wrong… and there is money allocated for legal defense and legal attack… and they will attack on a whim. With our legal system it is well known that being right doesn’t always count and it’s more about who can afford the best lawyers.

    I think I know one of the big companies you have mentioned and there will be those who can offer support but no action as legal documents have been signed effectively gagging any comment made against them. I believe that settlements have been made with “no admissions” which legally means that they have offered some compensation… but take no blame.

    I am sure that your actions will ruffle some corporate feathers…. it’s about time!! I have been given the bushy end of the pineapple on many occasions however I refuse to be changed on my views of mankind being good at the core. Those who fight this and choose the road of dishonesty and manipulation, will face karmic judgment in the future.

    It is a gutsy move, I think that when considering any action that may reap serious repercussions you need to look closely at your own motivation. If you need to save others from association with these tyrants or just need to do this for your own personal reasons, that is reason enough, but be prepared for a fight. One person CAN make a difference, especially when the motivation is for the needs of others.
    .-= Bev Langford´s last blog ..Parenting Tip No.2-Threats =-.

  30. Phil Browne says:

    Dont worry about it Shaun you know the old saying what goes around comes around it will only take up some of your time which is far to precious to give to these scumbags.They will pay in the long run reputation is priceless.

  31. Dear Sean
    I hear, understand and support how you feel in this ordeal. We can always choose to be creative or reactive.
    The real terrorist is the one we carry around in our head. We need to ask ourselves, do we want to start a war or prevent one from happening?
    I am sure there are many, many people who are becoming familiar with the issue at hand, let the guilty party dig their own hole……they will end up falling into anyway, and you don’t want to be hanging on to the end of the spade when they do.

    Kind regards
    Elly

  32. Having been force fed a few dozen bushy pineapples in the past by unscrupulous vendors I have to say they taste awful. I’m glad you have a forum in which you can vent it out. You bring up some great points Sean. You also seem to have a very vibrant group of readers too. So kudos to you for sure.

  33. Hey Sean – I get the feeling from your words that one part of you wants to expose the people who have hurt you, but the other part of you just wants to turn away. It’s a hard call. Just last week my 15 year old came home from school and said a boy in band had slapped him across the face at practice that day, because my son wouldn’t give in to his unreasonable demands. I asked my son what he did and he said he just turned away, but he did tell the teacher about it later that day because he didn’t want the boy to do it again, either to him or anyone else. I was proud he’d been able to walk away and pleased he’d told the teacher. Now, I appreciate your situation is more serious than a slap across the face, but maybe you should approach it in a similar way. Turn away, but if there’s a chance this person could hurt you or somebody else again, then perhaps you should look at ways of trying to prevent this, without directly ‘hitting’ him – if you know what I mean. Jan
    .-= Jan Littlehales´s last blog ..Raising Great Kids – Cycling =-.

  34. Sean, I sympathize with you, as I am currently one of a group taking a very disreputable company to VCAT. It is very shattering to be in the middle of such an ugly situation. I find it very difficult to comprehend how anyone can be dishonest, lie, and appear to have zero understanding that they have done anything wrong. My only comfort is that I truly believe in Karma, and what goes around comes around, and I do believe these people have very compromised ethics and will one day be in deep deep dodo!!
    .-= Cheryl Griffin´s last blog ..CONSISTENCY:- AN IMPORTANT STATE OF MIND FOR EVERY TRADER =-.

  35. I am a strongly outspoken promoter of ethical marketing and keeping the Internet effectual and relevant. You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar and add to the overall worth of our Internet. Thank you.
    .-= Terry Tiessen´s last blog ..Ad Unit Magic =-.

  36. G’day Terry,
    A gentleman and a scholar is the perfect description, and you may add ethical, honest, caring and generous !
    Cheers
    Harry
    .-= Harry Lynn´s last blog ..A Rare Gift – Film of History in Action =-.

  37. G’day Jazz,
    Just got the news of your win. Congratulations ! What dedication to the task ! Very well deserved win. Question – how did you find the time to do so many comments ? I’ve read lots of them and they are excellent quality and quite long. Fantastic !

    Re: Pineapple :- Got the link about Jamie McIntyre and TAGR and posted to FB and Twitter something like:- Jamie McIntyre has been a NAUGHTY BOY about Think and Grow Rich. Check it out on http://www.thinkandgrowrich.com.au/jamie-mcintyre

    It’s my 1st nail in his ……………………etc
    Cheers
    Harry
    .-= Harry Lynn´s last blog ..A Rare Gift – Film of History in Action =-.

  38. Tris Curtis says:

    I often wonder how many people, even big names, in the game of teaching others to “do exactly what I do” actually have most of their income come from fees for this “education”.

    • Great point, Tris.
      It is one that is often raised but conveniently ignored by people who want to believe they are hearing the truth. I make no secret out of the fact that I now am an educator. I derive most of my income (internet income) from teaching people how to do it. I have based this on past results (great results, I may add) and continued results from smaller scale marketing. Now I get results online with the aim to use them to teach people with. They key is to ensure people are getting real strategies that work; not the old crap that is outdated.
      More people need to front up and ask the hard questions on places like FaceBook FanPages and raise valid points, such as your point above.

  39. Michelle Turnbull says:

    Hi Sean,
    Just wanted to share that I have had 2 experiences with pathological liars. The first one was a “friend” who stole my husband’s retrenchment money on a property deal in Tas. He “looked after” the whole deal, and “forgot” to put our names on the deeds and legals… wake up call a few months later (after we helped him renovate all 4 townhouses). We got nothing. There was no paper trail. NO proof. These people are good. He has since been on A Current Affair. His name is Brian Oates… look out unsuspecting public!

    I have also looked up Sociopath… very interrelated with pathological liar. I seem to have become the following sociopath’s personal vendetta…

    The second experience has been on a personal scale. Yes, this person does believe their lies! It’s really scary, because the lies start off based on a bit of truth (innocent things), but then that truth becomes embellished and twisted and escalates and is downright slander and defamation and just plain lies! (Not good in a small town environment).
    It is very very hurtful when it comes from a person you had a lot of trust in, and who knows a lot about you and the people in your life.
    They target these people in your life with their twisted stories, and cause all sorts of relational damage.
    I feel I am having to defend myself all the time, and find if very hard to trust anyone who sees or talks to this person. This person has gotten to most of my friends and family via Facebook “chat”, where there is no evidence left of the lies written.
    Luckily for me, my integrity as a person has gone before me, and many people have sought me out for my version of the many and varied stories.
    This restores my faith in humankind, because through it all,
    I actually lost a sister through these lies.
    This is the hardest part to live with.

    To say I have been in the deepest depths of despair would be about right.
    I have had a long hard look at myself, and I know that I have not been deserving of the lies. I’m not perfect, either!
    I just keep walking straight ahead, focussing on my two boys and keeping the vision I wish for my future in my mind.
    I can’t change how other people perceive me. They have already decided. But if I keep being me and walking in truth and integrity, with my head held high, I’m sure that the truth will come out in the end.
    In the mean time, I’m trying not to care. But it really hurts, especially on family days such as Christmas and Easter. It should not be like this.
    I do so very much know where you are coming from.

    Take care and happy Easter. Keep your head high and keep moving forward.
    Your integrity has always shone through.
    Michelle Turnbull

    • Thank you, Michelle, for sharing with us.
      A lot of people carry hurt inside – not so much from the loss of capital – but from the deceit of being misled and lied to. Then there is the added hurt of losing money that may have been inheritance. It may be the life savings of their parents and someone has literally stolen the life savings (work) from someone’s diseased parents! I know it touches on some sore points but that is the hard reality of how criminal these people are. It is bad and it is wrong. My question is this: Why protect these scum with silence?
      On such a precious day, channel your energy (love) into your immediate family that needs it. They deserve it and they need it.
      Thanks for sharing, Michelle.

  40. Great topic Sean. This is a difficult one because you do not want to get on the wrong side of the law. Thankfully I haven’t been scammed (to any high degree) yet. It pays to do some simple research whenever something seems amiss… and even when everything seems perfectly fine.

    1. Google the company’s name. Google their directors names. Go through the first 10 pages of Google results. Put their names in with ‘scam’ check it again.

    2. Look up their company name on ASIC. Check if there have been any investigations.

    If you are scammed – complain to the ombudsman. Tell all your friends too.
    .-= David Moloney´s last blog ..What’s a Unique Selling Point/Proposition? =-.

  41. Andrew Sinclair says:

    I don’t encourage anyone to risk prosecution to expose a con artist; however, there are ways to deal with this that do not involve this risk:

    o Terminate all business opportunities with said party, at any cost. If in a contract, it must be disputed and invalidated, for the protection of the affiliate. Most of the time, the former is all we really need in terms of an advisory. All who do their due diligence will pick up on this.

    o Replace references with said individual, with the name of an authority to which they are under investigation. Can this be outlawed?

    o DANGER: Please consider filing a police report or injunction before falling back on this:
    As a customer, raise an issue that they have no choice but to make public. Channel the dispute, ever so subtly, into the territory of law that most threatens them. Escalate your complaint. Customer service will know they are not allowed to respond, however, their boss will if they give a damn about their own business.
    I’ll be honest; prospective leads wield more power than they should have, which is to be used for the purpose of exposing fraud, and this alone. Anything else is just harassment.

  42. This article is so close to home for me it is not funny! It is really a 30 year story that has been on and off again. In the early days it took me a long time to battle and heal myself from. Now I deal with it much more quickly for my own sanity. And interesting it has raised it’s ugly head just in the last week.

    It is based from a chosen partner of someone who is (or now was) really close to me. This woman is a compulsive liar. She is not pathological because she knows exactly what she is doing and saying. She is constructively setting out to control and deceive in a dangerous manner.

    A couple of years ago my brother and I set out to help and remove someone from her control by exposing her lies and deceit in as many ways as possible. There were even legal and police matters involved. We did not want to see her doing this to anyone else or anyone else’s family.

    She did struggle when being challenged from two directions. At the end of the day the authorities could do nothing to help because our dad would not stand up and say there was a problem. In fact he supported the ‘wonderful’ help he was getting from her.

    Yes it was that close to home! It hurt like hell and was tremendously difficult to deal with. While we were on the receiving end we didn’t want to see others go through this pain as well. Nothing and nobody was immune to her venom. In the end we had done as much as we could.

    She has not limited herself to affecting and our family but defrauding IRD, Work and Income, school fairs and the police.

    From my experience there is a point you can go to save others from this type of person as it was starting to ruin myself as a person and my life. I made my position clear to my dad in writing and stepped back to regain my life. What I have learned is how to protect myself (in a number of ways).

    As with leopards, these kind of people don’t change their spots and can’t help themselves but to try and put their foot back in the door.

    No it is not healthy to carry the pain. I am no longer taking the bushy end of the pineapple on this one and, although it was extremely difficult decision to make, I have taken a firm and stance on any behaviour of any sort from either party, and take action where necessary.

    Well that was not just the warts LOL

  43. I should also say thanks Sean for this post. It may not be the run of the mill thing that people talk about but almost everyone at some time of their life will come across a situation like where they have to deal to the bushy end of the pineapple.

    • Hi Sean

      A simple rule of thumb

      If this person’s behaviour is going to continue to hurt people then we need to stop it because if we don’t we are endorsing it.

  44. If we have a trusting nature and place a value on personal integrity then we perhaps are more susceptible to the compulsive liar types whoi like to insert the wrong end of the proverbial pineapple.

    However, it is better to be like that than the opposite.

    But that doesn’t mean you have to lie down and take it either. Being assertive is not being aggressive and people who are crooks, liars and scammers need to be put down (so to speak).

    • Andrew Sinclair says:

      The above process I described, of escalating conflict, was not something I initiated myself. A person I had purchased from had done this to himself. He made a followup call to me, trying to do an upsell and I flatly refused. He then proceeded to become aggressive towards me, telling me I have to spend money to earn money. He slurred his speech a little, sounding like he was drunk in that moment. At that point, I just drove him into the wall like a nail gun:

      A “I’ll save you some time, I would be in the curious category; I don’t think I would be a good candidate for this program.”

      C “why would you say that, that doesn’t make sense to me, are you serious about making money?”

      A “yes…”

      C “YOU GOTTA SPEND MONEY TO EARHN MOHNEY [sic]”

      A “yees.”

      C “so what is the problem, why would you not want to be earning big figures for our testimonial?”

      A “well, I know some people trade margins of about $50,000, $100,000, $150,000, … possibly even more than that, but If I were to trade borrowed sums that big, it could destabalise my financial position. How do I know your staff will be doing the math? How do I know, “who’s interests,” are involved in the testimonial?

      C “leave that burden on us, we have people trading on all kinds of lifestyles; you can’t buy your way into this programme.

      C “It’s good that you are aware of these risks and things, let me talk to my supervisor, there are other options for obtaining credit such as government grants. I’ll try to get you the information you need…”

      A “okay, I’ll leave you with one last thought; I might not be doing so well if I started right now, but would it not be better to start later when I have had time to arrange things?

      C “yes, okay, I’ll remember…”

      That was only the beginning. I owed it to my trade, not to let this bucket-shop slide. Their behavior is the best way to destroy industries, if any.

  45. This article has certainly opened up the doors and windows! Very few of us haven’t in some way been affected by a scam or someone not fulfilling what they promised.

    My BS detector has really become much sharper over the last year or so. Still, I find myself sometimes getting closer to being sucked in – as I still tend to want to be trusting.

    However, this comp and what Sean has openly written about here and in other blogs gives me a template (?) now on which to dudge future approaches and offers.

  46. Cathy Howitt says:

    Phew! It took me a long time to read all of the posts here, but I have to say that the wealth of information and wisdom coming from a wide range of people is amazing. I love the similar and different points of view and the way people are able to share their opinions in a safe and caring environment.

    The bushy end of a pineapple has been a fascinating read and lets us know that we are not alone and that we may not be the only person who has been scammed or lied to. In the end, it’s how we choose to deal with it and if we choose to take things further, it can and should be done in a logical, sensible and clear way.

    Thank you for bringing ths article to the fore. As I write this, it is many months later, and I would be very interested to know the outcome (if there has been one). Has there been a karmic resolution?

    Cath

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